so, i think that that was actually-- >> well, they passed it the first time in maine, maryland and washington state and in minnesota, they have -- they've refused to define marriage as between a man and a woman, which means the legislature could now legalize gay marriage if it wanted to. this means this issue -- the first time after 32 decisions in the other direction at the state level where gay marriage was approved, it means it's settled on the road to being settled democratically. >> well, it also means it's solved at the federal level. i mean, the other big such-- >> at the state level. >> at the state level, federal -- yes, the other referendum, to legalize marijuana generally, that passed in colorado and washington. if you add the fact that gay marriage passed in maryland and-- what you see is a cultural divide occurring in the country. these things will never pass in the south, in north carolina, i believe, had a referendum saying that marriage was between a man and a woman. nor will they pass in the mountain states, so you see the dividing that way culturally. >> paul: we'll see wher